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OC Congressmen Break Ranks on Fiscal Cliff Deal

The U.S. House of Representatives passed the American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012 late Tuesday night, and local GOP legislators split their votes on the controversial deal.

While most of Orange County’s Congressional Republicans voted against the American Taxpayer Relief Act, the compromise that kept the nation from falling over the so-called fiscal cliff, two prominent legislators broke ranks with the GOP to pass the bill.

Longtime Los Alamitos Rep. Ed Royce, voted in favor of the act along with Gary Miller, who represents Mission Viejo and Rancho Santa Margarita. The two are among the five GOP congressmen representing Orange County Patch cities who signed the Americans for Tax Reform pledge not to raise taxes. Three of their Orange County colleagues voted against the deal, including Rep. John Campbell, who represents Newport Beach, Laguna Niguel, Laguna Beach and Lake Forest, Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, who represents Fountain Valley and Seal Beach until 2013 when he will represent the new 48th District stretching from Seal Beach to Laguna Beach and Aliso Viejo, and Congressman Darrell Issa, who will represent Dana Point, San Clemente, Coto De Caza, San Juan Capistrano and Ladera Ranch in the new 49th District.

Royce was quoted in The Orange County Register today, explaining his decision “This bill protects millions of Americans from harsh tax hikes  – hikes that would have been a systemic shock to our already weak economy,” Royce said on the House floor before the vote. “Tax relief has been achieved. Now is the time for the president to work with Congress to address government overspending, the underlying problem.”

The U.S. House of Representatives passed the American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012 to avert the fiscal cliff late Tuesday night. The vote was 257 to 167.

The bill permanently extends current tax rates for income less than $400,000 for individuals and $450,000 for households, along with a combination of other spending cuts without raising the nation’s debt limit.

The deal does not include the payroll tax break that expired at the end of 2012. For people earning $50,000 in annual salary, that means a loss of around $80 per month to higher taxes, or about an extra $1,000 per year.

The Senate overwhelmingly passed the fiscal cliff compromise Tuesday at 2 a.m. with a vote of 89-8.

Campbell took to Facebook to voice his displeasure with the bill, posting his own quote from a New York Times article: “I personally hate it…The speaker the day after the election said we would give on taxes, and we have, but we wanted spending cuts. This bill has spending increases. Are you kidding me?”

Issa appeared on CNN to make his case, arguing that the bill’s absence of significant spending cuts makes it unpalatable. In speech on the House floor, he said, “When faced with a mountain of debt that we’re heading for like an airplane, did we climb over the it? No. What we are going to do in the present plan is put nearly another trillion dollars worth of debt on the American people.”

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met00 January 04, 2013 at 11:01 PM
Sorry William, I actually have a life so it sometimes takes me a bot longer to respond... When I had my stent put in in 2000 I selected the doctor who put a stent in my chest based on the fact that he was the CEO of the Internet startup I was CTO for. The fact that he happened to also be the director of the cath lab for Cedars was pure luck. As for price checking for medical services. NO ONE offers it. Really. Go in to any local hospital and say that you are attempting to get a price check for a stent to be placed in your LAD (you have the widowmaker). Ask for a complete breakdown of all the charges (like you would get on the purchase of a new car). You can't. And that IS the problem with the delivery of medicine in this country. People laugh at the fact that when you reserve your airline ticket that the person in the seat could be paying as little as 10% of what you are, or as much as 200% more. But you have never seen BS pricing until you get into the cost for the delivery of medicine. Every single number involved is 100% fictional. So, how do you expect to manage costs when they just make the prices up on the fly and it has nothing to do with the actual cost of services? My point exactly.
JustUs January 04, 2013 at 11:34 PM
"Go in to any local hospital and say that you are attempting to get a price check for a stent to be placed in your LAD (you have the widowmaker)." You still don't get it, met00. The reason they don't display the prices on medical procedures is that the consumer doesn' t directly pay for the service. Either the government pays for it or the insurance company pays for it. The government uses you taxes to pay for it or your insurance company hikes YOUR premiums to cover the costs. The COSTS are TRANSFERRED from the productive people to the leeches. And THAT is why they hide the costs. So that you have NO IDEA how much you are getting gouged for so you don't question it. And the ILLEGAL INVADERS get all their care FREE OF CHARGE, compliments of the TAXPAYERS! Wake up, man. Can't you figure this stuff out? Do I have to tell you everything?
JustUs January 04, 2013 at 11:43 PM
Dan, you are a former professor of english with an emphasis in debate? HAH! Sorry. I find that unbelieveable. You won't even take me head-on in a debate on these topics of interest in the Patch. And I constantly clean house and dispel your arguments. Wow. I would love to get a chance to lecture to those young college kids and tell them the truth. They would adore me. The average student these days is thirsting for the truth in these higher institutions of propoganda. If I only knew back then (when I was a student) what I know now. OMG. I would be the class guru. My fellow students (and probably my professors too) would pay to consult with me!! HAH! :)
Dan Avery January 05, 2013 at 12:40 AM
JustUs, Did you actually read my comment? I didn't mention what my emphasis was in. I didn't mention debate. What I did say is that I spent a lot of time teaching argumentation and rhetoric. The fact that you don't believe the English department is where those two things are taught is what we call "telling." As is the rest of your mindless bluster. I'm betting you don't have an education at all. You certainly careen around this board from point to point telling everyone they are "wrong." To "win" you change terms or you ignore the person's point. Both of which are rhetorical fallacies that cowards and bullies employ because they are arguing a lost cause. Or so I used to teach my students. I would argue your point if you had one, but as you know, you didn't understand my original point because you didn't understand I was being ironic. Ergo, you haven't yet made a valid point for me to engage. You just stand there windmilling your arms and making claims that have no substance nor do they have a slight foothold in reality.
met00 January 05, 2013 at 12:45 AM
JustUs: "Obviously, you're mother and father did not live during the Great Depression. Mine did."" Me: Wow, you really just throw the BS around. Fact free? JustUs!" JustUs: Did your parents live during the Great Depression or did they not? Mine did and told me FIRST HAND of what took place back then. So what I don't you was FACTUAL. But I know how you hate the truth. --- Stories based on opinion by my parents (who were around) are NOT facts. They are stories. They are coloured by the observations of those who observed it and filtered through their filters. Did my grandfather keep all his employees in his garment factory employed until the bank balance read zero? That's the family story. It may or may not be accurate, but it's just a story. It's the view of the world through the prism of my parents, their experiences. Not facts. "So what I don't you was FACTUAL" - it's not even understandable English. Give it up, you are out of your league.
CDC January 05, 2013 at 01:35 AM
JustUs "The average student these days is thirsting for the truth in these higher institutions of propoganda." Propoganda? That is spelled with a "a" Turn on your browser spell checker! We are guessing you went to this school and have this bumper sticker on your truck... http://i1.cpcache.com/product/18738202/red_state_colluge_bumper_bumper_sticker.jpg?color=White&height=240&width=240
JustUs January 05, 2013 at 02:05 AM
"I'm betting you don't have an education at all." Will Rogers once said that "Every man is ignorant if you get him off the subject that he was educated in". And you have reinforced that saying with me. I have both a higher academic education and a REAL WORLD education, meaning I didn't hide behind the walls of an ivory tower. heh. "Both of which are rhetorical fallacies that cowards and bullies employ because they are arguing a lost cause." A "bully" to you must mean anyone who outshines you in a public debate. heh. Smart people acknowledge when they're wrong, Dan. The prideful and the ignorant stubbornly defend their position even after being proved wrong. Did you ever teach that to your students? heh. "I would argue your point if you had one, but as you know, you didn't understand my original point because you didn't understand I was being ironic" That's called a 'cop out', Dan. You should've learned it as an undergrad. heh. :)
JustUs January 05, 2013 at 02:14 AM
"JustUs "The average student these days is thirsting for the truth in these higher institutions of propoganda." Is that all you got, chump? Are you a former professor from the same school that Dan Avery taught at too? heh. I thought you were all intellectuals who weren't afraid of debating the issues? Or maybe you were liberals who were 'conflict aversive'? heh. Did you erode your hands away with all the wringing over the years? heh.
met00 January 05, 2013 at 02:36 AM
"The reason they don't display the prices on medical procedures is that the consumer doesn' t directly pay for the service." and since the consumer is not "paying" for the service, there is no issue of cost of service. How do you contain the "cost of service" when someone else is footing the bill? You don't. That's why the cost of service is fictional. You have auto insurance, does it cover the cost of maintaining your car? Calling it "health insurance" is a misnomer. It's a health care payment plan where you, the consumer have no control of the cost of service. You like to whine about the cost of service delivery, but why does the exact same service from the hospital cost different amounts if you have Blue Cross, United Health Care, Blue Shield, Medicare, Medicaid and are uninsured? So, here is my question for you. Why is it better to NOT pay for that undocumented worker to have insurance and pay the highest cost (uninsured) rather than cover them with insurance and pay a much lower cost? If they were all insured there would be a known cost and a negotiated rate, and we all know from real life experience that the negotiated rates are way better then the non-insured. One last question. If all these insurance companies have all these negotiated rates, then who is really paying for it all (the answer is "the uninsured"). Well they are either paying for it, or just getting ripped off. Your call.
JustUs January 05, 2013 at 03:57 AM
"How do you contain the "cost of service" when someone else is footing the bill?" There ya go. You're starting to catch on. Mr. illegal invader doesn't care whether you foot the bill for his insurance premium or whether you pay directly for services. HE GETS HIS HEALTHCARE FOR FREE even for non-emergency medicine and he is in our country illegally. heh. Feel robbed yet??? Different modes of payment (insured or uninsured) pay different amounts because the system wants you to become a club member and pay your dues instead of paying as you go. So if you spend directly you get a 1000% markup for emergency services. It's an extortion racket developed by government and the large corporations. You should know that. Illegal invaders are ILLEGALLY IN THE COUNTRY. They are CRIMINALS. Why should I pay for any of their non-emergency healthcare when even our middle class citizens don't get that privilege? Are you nuts? Or are you just a new world order socialist? Which is it? Do you think as an illegal American in Mexico you would get free health care??? HAH! Heck no! The Mexicans are smarter than that!!! HAH! "If all these insurance companies have all these negotiated rates, then who is really paying for it all (the answer is "the uninsured") Baloney. They can't squeeze blood from a turnip. Those costs are paid by the TAXPAYERS and by those who pay the insurance premiums to the big insurance companies that go up, up, up in price. You can't be that naive. :)
Allen Park January 05, 2013 at 04:16 AM
Love how Ed Royce voted against Hurricane Sandy relief today. Better to send that money to Africa I suppose.
JustUs January 05, 2013 at 04:40 AM
It all depends were Ed's pet special interests and sugar daddies are located. That's to whom he will vote to give our money to.
Dan Avery January 05, 2013 at 07:42 PM
"It all depends were Ed's pet special interests and sugar daddies are located. That's to whom he will vote to give our money to." Grammatically flawed and so general there's nothing to argue. But if you don't respond he will claim Victory. Just watch.
JustUs January 05, 2013 at 07:50 PM
Another bonehead english prof giving free grammar lessons. hah. Too bad he can't connect dots in the real world on other subject matters. Hiding in the Ivory Tower makes Dan a very dull boy. hah. :)
Dan Avery January 05, 2013 at 07:55 PM
JustUs, " I have both a higher academic education and a REAL WORLD education" Yeah you're a regular Henry Adams. What college or university did you attend? The lack of a name makes your claim too general. It's a meaningless statement. Name the college and I'll check with their admissions department to see how truthful you are. In case you didn't notice I defined two of your "argument" tactics as logical fallacies. In an argument you would have to refuted my claim. "A "bully" to you must mean anyone who outshines you in a public debate. heh. Smart people acknowledge when they're wrong, Dan." That doesn't even come close to refuting my statement about your tactics being a logical fallacy. It's a generalized personal attack that is meaningless and rather poorly played. Are you sure you went to college? Sure doesn't seem like it unless it was National University. As I've said multiple times, you didn't realize I was being ironic. That means I meant the opposite of what I said. So any points you think you made to "beat" me, actually didn't apply because they didn't address what I actually said. That is not a "cop out" you moronic braggart, that is rather simple logic to follow if you read slowly and stop moving your lips when you read it.
Dan Avery January 05, 2013 at 08:00 PM
Yo Justus, Down here, Bobo... Here's the funny part. I was ironic because I knew you would respond without realizing you were reading irony, and then I could draw you out and show this board exactly how dumb you are. And then you kept coming back like a dog who is too dumb to realize I'm going to beat him again with the exact same stick. You should avoid fights with people who are both smarter and meaner than you. I'll run along now, but I'll be back on another thread and I'll do the exact same thing with irony and you'll fall for it all over again because you don't have the metal capacity to avoid it. And I'll do it with my own name, but you'll no doubt change yours again. Or go back to Bobo or the others you've used. It's not hard to spot your writing dude. It's reads like a men's room wall.
JustUs January 05, 2013 at 08:07 PM
"I'll run along now, but I'll be back on another thread and I'll do the exact same thing with irony and you'll fall for it all over again because you don't have the metal capacity to avoid it." Oh, my 'metal' capacity is too low, Mr. English Professor? While you're reviewing your basic grammar rules you should study the spelling section too while you're at it! hah. Either that or go back to school and take a remedial spelling class so you can update your resume!!! hah. :) Beside, those who use irony should have a sense of humor too. What happened to yours? Did the Ivory Tower steal it from ya?
gingerpur January 06, 2013 at 05:37 PM
I reluctantly agree. I expected better of Royce. This pork-laden bill (now law) is nothing less than capitulation. Face it Republicans--you were out-maneuvered. You blinked and the left did not.
Joker Joe January 07, 2013 at 06:31 PM
JustUs Wasting your time with Dan. Might as well talk to the wall. The only way to get a debate with him is to give one line sentences and then allow him 2 line replies. Yes or no only. Just tell him the rules are , NO BUSH DID ITS...Might also include met00 and the quibbler in that scenario... lol lol
Joker Joe January 07, 2013 at 06:33 PM
Allen It was the pork in the bill he voted against. Like 200 million to fix a roof in I believe it was Mississippi where the storm never hit.-
Joker Joe January 07, 2013 at 07:03 PM
met00 Still did not answer my SIMPLE question.
met00 January 07, 2013 at 09:21 PM
William, I actually made the choice. I had the stent put in my LAD. But I will provide a slightly different answer since what you are asking is: Do you base your selection of medical treatment on price and what other factors come into play? Today this is impossible. If you are talking about a car with a blown transmission, the answer is "yes". There I can call around and get apples-to-apples quotes for service and have my car towed to the place that offers me the best ROI. But that is impossible to get from the medical industry today. And that was my point. Your question is impossible to answer. If there was a way for me to get the information, then yes, I would include the ROI as a major factor in the delivery of medical care, but there is no way today to get that information. There is no way to be a knowledgeable consumer. What you have asked is the same as saying "How high is up?" Without metrics you can not make a rational decision.
JustUs January 07, 2013 at 09:43 PM
met00, you made your own choice as to which stent you would get??? Where exactly did you go to medical school and where did you do your residency studies in cardio-thorasic surgery? The lawmakers have made it very easy for the medical suppliers to gouge the public. For instance, it is illegal to re-import American made pharmaceuticals from Canada or any other industrialized nation that receive American phama drugs (most do). This is why foreigners pay about 25%-50% of the cost charged to Americans for American made drugs. Quite a racket, eh? We subsidize other nations who use our products. Same with medical equipment. Same racket. And the AMA intentionally limits the # of seats in medical schools to keep the supply of docs artificially low while demand increases to keep the medical salaries and cost high. It's a very easy scam to pull off. And nobody in Congress (dems or pubs) calls them on it. That is why it can take you 4-5 weeks to see a specialist in America for a health consultation. And why you have to pay through the nose to see one. We have amongst the worst healthcare delivery system in the world - especially considering the amount of money we spend on it. Disgraceful in most respects. I can go to India and get a full quadruple bypass for $23,000 cash at nice hospitals by American trained cardio-thorasic surgeons. Here, it would cost me about $225,000. FACT. It really is shameful. And ObamaCare does absolutely NOTHING to remedy it.
met00 January 07, 2013 at 09:56 PM
"you made your own choice as to which stent you would get?" Yep. I choose the coated one rather than they uncoated one. If I had the choice today I would get the Conner medstent as these provide the same medicine as the coated, but assure flow over surface area due to the ductile hinges. "Where exactly did you go to medical school and where did you do your residency studies in cardio-thorasic surgery?" Didn't, but I do research the crap out of what is going in my chest. It's called "taking responsibility" for my health care. I actually have studied my med regime and have made suggestions to my doctors on what I would prefer and why, and we have worked together on it. So when the meds I was on were affecting testosterone levels, we changed the meds to a different set that did NOT have as great a side effect. That was all based on my research and my desires to reduce one set of side effects knowing what the changes meant. Being informed is the key. The system is designed to make you as uninformed as possible. The last thing anyone in it wants is an informed consumer making reasonable decisions. They want you very afraid and just doing what they tell you to do, paying what they tell you to pay.
met00 January 07, 2013 at 10:06 PM
"This is why foreigners pay about 25%-50% of the cost charged to Americans for American made drugs." Actually, you will find that I am a great supporter of drug re-importation. Big Pharma is a major problem. The fact that Medicare can not negotiate drug prices is criminal. "And the AMA intentionally limits the # of seats in medical schools to keep the supply of docs artificially low while demand increases to keep the medical salaries and cost high." That's a little bit to "conspiracy theory" for me. I do now that the Vet industry used to do this through the licensing boards, but a successful suit in MA stopped them from being able to continue the practice (My brothers friend was the plaintiff in the suit. He got his vet training outside the US and they were creating bogus reasons for not admitting him). "We have amongst the worst healthcare delivery system in the world - especially considering the amount of money we spend on it. Disgraceful in most respects." You and I actually agree on that point. Going to single payer (ala Norway) or even the model used in France (public with supplemental private) would be much better. There is no way that will happen. Moving to a public option with Medicare as the public option would decrease Medicare costs while increasing overall coverage.
JustUs January 07, 2013 at 10:32 PM
"That's a little bit to "conspiracy theory" for me." Do your research, met00. The AMA regulates the # of medical school seats in America. Obviously, we have a shortage of specialists. I have had to wait as long as 5 weeks to see one or two for a condition. I know. That should not happen in America. There is a shortage of them because not enough are being trained. The reason for that is lack of training seats. Many primary care docs want a shot at becoming a specialist and are put on a long waiting list. Research the facts before you call something a "conspiracy theory".
Homer January 07, 2013 at 11:38 PM
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/6/obama-supporters-shocked-angry-new-tax-increases/ Obama supporters shocked, angry at new tax increases
Joker Joe January 08, 2013 at 06:27 PM
Homer That is precious.... lol lol Sometimes, watching a Democrat learn something is wonderful, like seeing the family dog finally sit and stay at your command. With President Obama back in office and his life-saving “fiscal cliff” bill jammed through Congress, the new year has brought a surprising turn of events for his sycophantic supporters. “What happened that my Social Security withholding’s in my paycheck just went up?” a poster wrote on the liberal site DemocraticUnderground.com. “My paycheck just went down by an amount that I don’t feel comfortable with. I guarantee this decrease is gonna’ hurt me more than the increase in income taxes will hurt those making over 400 grand. What happened?” Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/6/obama-supporters-shocked-angry-new-tax-increases/#ixzz2HPTZgcPD Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter
Joker Joe January 11, 2013 at 01:35 PM
House Republicans last week blasted Senate Democrats for filling the fiscal cliff deal with pet projects and pork barrel spending. That legislation not only extended Bush-era tax cuts and put off tough spending decisions, as it was meant to do, but gave tax breaks to Hollywood and NASCAR. Next week, in a move that “gives as good as you get” the House will vote on its version of $50.6 billion in emergency assistance to victims of Hurricane Sandy—a measure also loaded with earmarks far removed from the storm victims. That huge spending package includes billions of dollars of unrelated storm projects, according to a new analysis by Taxpayers for Common Sense, the spending watchdog. Among the extraneous spending: continued....
Joker Joe January 11, 2013 at 01:37 PM
$2 billion for the Federal Highway Administration to spend on road improvements across the country unrelated to the hurricane damage and flooding. $16 billion of Community Development Funds that would be available to any community or state that was declared a federal disaster area in 2011, 2012 and 2013. Twenty-four states sustained damage from Sandy, but this provision extends community development funds to an additional 23 states and Puerto Rico. Only Arizona, Michigan and South Carolina would be left out. $500 million for Army Corps of Engineers reclamation projects in coastal areas that were unscathed by Hurricane Sandy. The federal government would pick up the full cost of beach reclamation and sand pumping. In the past, localities were required to pick up about a third of the cost. $25 million to improve weather and hurricane intensity forecasting – an important priority but one that could be handled through the normal budget process. Seems the party doesn't matter.... Just PARTY at the trough at taxpayer expensive.

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