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Feds Think Dorner Had Help in Big Bear, Fled to Mexico

An arrest warrant says the accused killer's burning truck was found near mountain property owned by relatives of a Dorner associate.

As officials continue their hunt for a rogue ex-cop suspected of killing three people, evidence suggests he may have had help eluding capture.

According to a federal arrest warrant affidavit filed last week, U.S. authorities believe Christopher Dorner may have fled to Mexico after Thursday's deadly shootouts with police in Riverside County.

The affidavit notes that the suspect's burned-out truck was found near Big Bear-area property owned by relatives of a Dorner associate, identified only as J.Y., who was spotted early Thursday afternoon in Costa Mesa.

Also on Thursday, around 12:30 p.m., someone claiming to be Dorner called the father of murder victim Monica Quan, telling the retired police captain he "should have done a better job of protecting his daughter," according to the affidavit.

The call was traced to Vancouver, Wash., but U.S. Marshals Service Inspector Craig McClusky wrote in the affidavit, "I do not believe that he was in Washington at the time of that call."

McClusky said there was "probable cause" to believe Dorner has traveled "from California to Mexico with the intent to avoid prosecution."

On Monday, Mexican authorities got a tip Dorner had been spotted at the Tapatio Hotel in Tijuana, but when they raided it that night, he was not there.

Federal authorities told the Los Angeles Times late Monday that the warrant affidavit outlined their theories about Dorner's whereabouts last week, but they said he could be anywhere now.

-- City News Service and Patch staff reports

fact checker February 12, 2013 at 11:33 PM
No matter how this all pans out there is one thing you are an expert at JustUs and that is "looking stupid later."
JustUs February 12, 2013 at 11:56 PM
"JustUs, if you can do a better job than these brave officers, go for it" Mia, it's got nothing to do with whether I could do a better job. I am a citizen and I have a right to give my opinion on their performance thus far, especially since we spend lots and lots of money in taxes to fund these police agencies. If I didn't pay taxes I would keep my mouth shut. Lots of people feel the same way that I do. We feel that the police have not performed satifactory in this investigation. Innocent civilians have been shot, innocent people have been detained or arrested for unreasonable amounts of time, the killer is still on the loose after 7 days, the killer himself is a product of LAPD that hired him and may have wronged him which resulted in this tragedy, etc... It's been awful. And as taxpayers we certainly have a right to make our views known. So it's nothing to do whether I would do a better or worse job. You never focus on the subject matter. You use diversions in you comments that have nothing to do about the comments that I make. Why don't you stay on topic for once, mia?
JustUs February 13, 2013 at 12:01 AM
"No matter how this all pans out there is one thing you are an expert at JustUs and that is "looking stupid later." Oh, look. The 'fact checker' who wouldn't know a fact if it bit him in the behind is back again. heh. Hi, fact checker. It's a rare day when you actually provide a 'fact'. But your entertainment value is beyond words! :^)
Ron Melnyk February 13, 2013 at 12:30 AM
JustUs: Hold up here big boy,"The killer himself is a product of LAPD that hired him and may have wronged him which resulted in this tradegy" are you saying that the LAPD may be responsible for this guy going off the deep end and killing innocent people ?
JustUs February 13, 2013 at 12:37 AM
Lots of people are saying that LAPD terminating Dorner may have pushed him over the edge which resulted in a very tragic ending. Read the news, Ron. Have you been asleep this whole time, or what? This is not to say what Dorner did was right. Only that something pushed him over the edge. And according to his manifesto, it seemed to be his termination from LAPD, which he considered to be wrongful. I hope my update brought you up to speed, Ron.
fact checker February 13, 2013 at 12:40 AM
The difference between you and the law enforcement personnel you mock on these boards is that they put their lives on the line everyday for you. Surely you can think of some better use of your time. Engage in civil discourse.
JustUs February 13, 2013 at 12:55 AM
"The difference between you and the law enforcement personnel you mock on these boards is that they put their lives on the line everyday for you." That's untrue. A cop has never put his life on the line for me. Another false statement made by the famous 'fact checker'. I am not mocking anyone. I am providing a personal evaluation of how this investigation has been conducted to date. I am a taxpayer. I help fund these police agencies. I do not live in North Korea. I live in America. And I will give my personal opinion based up the facts that I receive, and certainly not distorted facts from you, fact checker. "Engage in civil discourse." All my discourse is civil unless I am attacked first. Then the gloves come off.
fact checker February 13, 2013 at 01:04 AM
Of course you are mocking law enforcement. And every time they arrest a criminal you are safer. Your taxes do not entitle you to disrespect people who have done no wrong. Your tirades here are unacceptable in the face of the tragedies suffered during this manhunt. Your ignorance is tolerable but your disrespect is not.
JustUs February 13, 2013 at 01:18 AM
"Of course you are mocking law enforcement" I am pointing out their poor performance. That's what we do in America. Remember, this is America, not North Korea. You seem to have an identity problem. We live in America. You must have watched too much History Channel and must have an out of body experience or something. I don't know. I can't figure you out. Maybe an astral projection or something. How would I know? I'm not a therapist! "Your taxes do not entitle you to disrespect people who have done no wrong. " You confuse 'disrespect' with criticism. In America the citizens have unalienable rights to criticize (or even 'disrespect) if they choose to. You seem to have more in common with North Korea. I suggest you go there where there is no Constitution and no civil liberties and no opinions that criticize the State. You are a real piece of work, fact checker. The flight to North Korea is about 9 hours. Enjoy. "Your ignorance is tolerable but your disrespect is not." I think you're biased in favor of 'ignorance' since you have so much of it. Criticism of goverment performance is as American as apple pie. For those who choose to "disrespect" government agencies, that too is as American as apple pie. It's an unalienable right until the First Amendment. Are you communicating from a computer in North Korea? You sure seem ignorant of the values we hold here in America. Give me your address. I will send you a pocker version of the Bill of Rights to read.
Ron Melnyk February 13, 2013 at 01:37 AM
JUstUs: This is one the major problems in our society today. People are unwilling to accept responsiblty for their actions. They blame their actions on someone or something else. Gee, my boss really pissed me off today, so, I think I'll go out and slaughter some people. When they catch me, I'll blame anyone or anything so it's not my fault. I don't think you bring anyone up to speed with your predisposed bias towards law enforcement. I have allowed you to provide me with cheat entertaiment. I am also beginning to think that you may be a shill for the patch, to increase it's readership which in turn would allow them to charge more for their ads. How's that for a theory ?
JustUs February 13, 2013 at 01:52 AM
" People are unwilling to accept responsiblty for their actions. They blame their actions on someone or something else." To include police departments, Ron. They are one of the biggest violators of the principle you referenced. What Dorner did was wrong. And everyone has their own saturation or tolerance level. Dorner felt like he was wronged in a very unjust way. And he may have been. He lost his livelihood and his naval career. That was his entire identity. It pushed him over the limit. And that's the truth whether you want to accept it or not. "I don't think you bring anyone up to speed with your predisposed bias towards law enforcement." I have been a cop cheerleader all my life until about 10 years ago when I became aware of so much local police corruption, abuse, and immunity from the laws the rest of us must obey. I always knew cops lied and that some were corrupt. But it became so commonplace that I needed to take a stand as a good American citizen. You see, I love my country 100x's more than any police agency, Ron. Always have. And if I see my nation (which I defended with my life) being damaged by out-of-control police behavior I will speak up - whether you like it or not.
CDC February 13, 2013 at 01:56 AM
The Feds and cops are total idiots. Turns out he was 75 feet from the command center in a nice warm cabin watching them on TV. Cleaning people found the guy. Says a lot about the quality of the cops. Maybe we should give cleaning people guns. Freeze or I will spray you with Windex!
fact checker February 13, 2013 at 02:22 AM
Will you also credit them with a job well done? You speak in huge generalities which leads me to believe that your ultimate goal is to glean a tiny bit of attention in an otherwise meaningless life. You can't admit your own mistakes and use the mistakes of others to make yourself look more important. If you really want to engage in a meaningful discussion you won't resort to insulting those who disagree.
Ron Melnyk February 13, 2013 at 02:50 AM
JustUs: It doesn't matter what I like or dislike. You most certainly have to right to speak your mind, I certainly don't question that. I wonder why you feel the need to profess your love for our country. I mean, to the best of my knowledge no one has questioned it. There are thousands if not hundred of thousands of people who have been harmed by circumtances beyond their control, be they lies or slanderous statements and suffered the consequences. They haven't gone out and shot and killed defenceless people. The mistake LAPD made was in their testing and not finding out that this person had some serious problems and you know what, it's possible that he wasn't wronged. Just because he said he was doesn't make it so. Can you accept the fact that he may have had problems before he joined law enforcement ?
jenny February 13, 2013 at 03:18 AM
you people bagging on the police for risking their lives are idiots. and yet, the police will still protect and serve and ignore your words. "I'd rather you just said thank you and walk away". he was in big bear, not that easy to find people as you think without violating rules and privacy and he took himself out, amen
JustUs February 13, 2013 at 03:54 AM
"Can you accept the fact that he may have had problems before he joined law enforcement ?" Right after you accept the fact that many police departments are inherently corrupted and full of scandal. That there is such a thing a the 'code of silence' by which cops protect one another from accountability. That cops are found guilty in civil courts all the time for abuse, never get fired and the taxpayers are forced to pay the huge judgments or settlements while the cops pay nothing. That cops break the laws and keep their jobs - that a private corporate employee would get fired for in a heartbeat. As soon as you acknowledge those truisms I will consider your request to acknowledge what you say, Ron. I am tired of phony cops who are sworn to uphold the laws who break the laws and walk away unscathed. Phony as a $3 bill. So why don't you try some honesty before you demand it from others?
Ron Melnyk February 13, 2013 at 04:55 AM
JustUs; Please show me where I have said all cops are perfect. You know, maybe you put cops on too high of a pedstal and forget that they are human beings who are subject to bad decisions. Your indictment of law enforcement officers reminds me of Stalins form of justice. If you have a 1,000 suspects for a crime, the soluation is easy, kill them all and then you can be sure that the criminal will get his just dues. I'm sure that many of your accusations are true. I'm also postive that you know that no system is perfect, but, to piss on a whole class of "workers" is just foolish and incredulous.
JustUs February 13, 2013 at 05:48 AM
"I'm sure that many of your accusations are true. I'm also postive that you know that no system is perfect, but, to piss on a whole class of "workers" is just foolish and incredulous" Ron, you're not paying attention. All cops practice the 'code of silence' for self-survival. All have to play the game or end up like Dorner. It's rotten to the core. Until that changes it can't get better. We pay these cops top dollar. They owe us more than that. They are letting us down and not fulfilling their part of the bargain. That's wrong, my friend. They owe us integrity. And they aren't delivering. And that's the truth.
Ron Melnyk February 13, 2013 at 06:13 AM
JustUs: I am paying attention, to use the word "all" is just plain incorrect and ignorant. You are under the false impression that paying someone more money will improve their integrity and that you can buy trust and honour. I mean this will all due respect, you need to leave Disneyland and start living in the real world.
JustUs February 13, 2013 at 06:30 AM
"JustUs: I am paying attention, to use the word "all" is just plain incorrect and ignorant." Okay, not all. 99.5% Any cop who snitches off another cop has the lifespan in police work of a housefly. He's as good as gone. They will either force him out (like Dorner) or set him up on the streets. You think we're stupid out here? "You are under the false impression that paying someone more money will improve their integrity and that you can buy trust and honour." I never said that. I said that for that kind of money we deserve a moral code in return from those who enforce the laws. That's called civility. Behaving like savages was never part of deal we had with them. Right is right and wrong is wrong, Ron. If we can't trust these people after paying them top dollar they are scum. Sorry. "I mean this will all due respect, you need to leave Disneyland and start living in the real world." So what you're saying is that we have to accept their corruption, immorality, lies and abuse because that's the way it is. Which, of course, makes you as bad as them. Sleep on that.
Joker Joe February 13, 2013 at 03:29 PM
All the losers are ridiculing those that thought Dornan had a brain. Who burns their own car to bring attention to himself? With years in the military and LE you would of thought he figured out the angles but it looks like he was as smart as a rock. As for the police they lucked out only because he took hostages and stole a car. Otherwise they would of left Big Bear and been home by now. They found NO trace of him in all the time they were there. To make matters worse 2 deputies were shot by him. But the police got their revenge. It was another WACO with so called tear gas grenades lighting up the cabin and killing someone in it. Chris Dorner was killed because what he knew could not of been brought into the light of day. He could of been starved out of that cabin but the execution by the judge , jury and executioner was preferable. I now realize he wasn't a very wise person but the killing was not warranted. A trial for this human being brought to the edge of insanity would of been preferable. There would of been a lot to gain regarding future victims and mental health.
Joker Joe February 13, 2013 at 03:42 PM
fact checker JustUs is trying to educate you about REAL life. He is a teacher dedicated to teaching those lost in their TINY world with no knowledge of the REAL world. You owe him an apology for wasting his time with your ludicrous remarks of contempt and shallowness! I myself have giving up on you a longggg time ago.
Joker Joe February 13, 2013 at 03:46 PM
95% of the police left Big Bear. Another 2 days they were all gone... lol Just luck got Dorner not police vigilance. Not helicopters. Not drones. Not intelligence. Not the dogs. Not extra assault rifles. Not ATVs. JUST LUCK.
Joker Joe February 13, 2013 at 03:48 PM
mia If I can not call 911 I should get some of those taxes back!
Ron Melnyk February 13, 2013 at 03:52 PM
JustUs: I'm going to be civil by just saying that you are silly. I'll leave this dialouge with this comment: I never once said that we should accept corrupt amd morally defective people. Once again, you have chosen to punish a whole class of people because of a few tainted individuals. Punish the gulity only. "If we can't trust these people after paying them top dollar they are scum. Sorry." Sounds to me like you are trying to buy intergity. Well, let me say in closing, the our "conversation" reminds of many talks I had with my kids 30 years ago when they were so young and idealistic. Elvis has left the buliding. Adios big boy.
Joker Joe February 13, 2013 at 04:51 PM
JustUs I think this describes your position exactly. Just found it. http://www.nationofchange.org/wanted-dead-not-alive-lapd-afraid-what-renegade-cop-chris-dorner-has-say-1360677172
JustUs February 13, 2013 at 06:09 PM
No, that doesn't really reflect my positon, Bill. There's way too much racial stuff in there. I feel the reason LAPD went after Dorner was because he snitched off another cop who was in good standing with the department. It really doesn't matter what your race is. If a cop commits that mortal sin, he's toast. Most honest cops would tell you that over a beer. And the police deliberately torched that cabin that Dorner was held up in. That was proved by the radio transmissions that were captured. Have you heard them yet? And it appears that they wanted it done prior to the State of the Union Address so it wouldn't interfere with the airing of that event. Naturally, people would much rather watch the Dorner episode that Barrack Obama spew more nonsense for an hour. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if the President's office dropped a dime on the Riverside PD and LAPD and told them to hurry up. So I would really downplay the racial element, Bill. LAPD is full of minority officers. Rarely does one hear of legitimate racial discrimination there. I believe it all had to do with one cop snitching off another cop. Some things in police work are absolutely taboo. And that's one of them. Anyone with inside information knows it too.
JustUs February 13, 2013 at 06:17 PM
One final comment, Ron. You seem not to really care about cleaning up the dirt in society that reigns from the highest levels of government. For some reason you enjoy the status quo. You seem to like 'inequality under the law' and 'consent of the rulers' vs. 'consent of the governed'. Too bad you closed your mind to your little children years ago. Sometimes kids say the darndest things. Kids see something and verbalize it out loud without consideration for politics or political correctness. Perhaps your thought process had been polluted over the years and you needed to listen to your children. Nazi Germany didn't happen that long ago, Ron. Adios big boy.
Joker Joe February 13, 2013 at 06:31 PM
Did not hear the radio transmissions. I hope the people in Torrance will not be randomly shot at anymore by our heroes!
JustUs February 13, 2013 at 06:45 PM
That's another thing. I predict the cops will have another long, drawn out internal investigation and wait for all the furor over the Torrance shooting to die down. And when the emotions are gone LAPD will claim the shooting was justified because the LAPD cops felt their lives to be endangered. There will be no terminations. Only lawsuits that the taxpayers will be forced to pay. LAPD and their trigger happy cops won't have to pay a dime. So the bottom line is that cops can shoot at a vehicle that doesn't match the model or color of a suspect's vehicle without knowing who the vehicle is occupied by, hit is more than 30 times with live rounds, spray the neighborhood with rounds placing innocent neighbor in grave danger with stray rounds striking residences and other cars and get away with it. Anyone who claims that we don't live in a 'police state' is living in LA LA land and must have manure for brains.

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